tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9027191706980748713.post3282857004918581958..comments2023-09-29T18:37:14.377+10:00Comments on Eight Acres: Permaculture - design from patterns to detailsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9027191706980748713.post-29812757310140860882013-08-13T08:23:14.119+10:002013-08-13T08:23:14.119+10:00Liz,
I have been following Eight Acres for ages. ...Liz,<br /><br />I have been following Eight Acres for ages. And it was only today that I realised how great a permaculture resource it is. Your writing is modern, practical and inspiring. I'm soon to embark on my own permaculture design in rural Victoria and haven't yet got my hands on a copy of Holmgren or Mollison - they are as rare as hensteeth in physical bookshops, so online I go. Your blog is tiding my over nicely until I receive the package in the mail. Pavel - Desirable Worldhttp://www.desirableworld.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9027191706980748713.post-18857367329442886402013-08-05T15:02:12.394+10:002013-08-05T15:02:12.394+10:00thanks for all your comments, I love the discussio...thanks for all your comments, I love the discussion, only five principles to go, phew!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874273438983052621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9027191706980748713.post-52636354758578838432013-07-11T23:06:35.712+10:002013-07-11T23:06:35.712+10:00This is a principle we will be looking at in more ...This is a principle we will be looking at in more depth as we start to design our land in NZ. Like you I sometimes struggle to understand how to apply it in principle.Fiona from Arbordale Farmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05196630415124998431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9027191706980748713.post-42800013677828648872013-07-09T21:30:11.538+10:002013-07-09T21:30:11.538+10:00I've heard about the book but I haven't ha...I've heard about the book but I haven't had a chance to read it. It's pretty intense right?<br />Thanks for sharing at Tuesdays with a Twist! Hope to see you again this week.<br /><br />http://back2basichealth.blogspot.com/2013/07/tuesdays-with-twist-14-is-here.htmlMary Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525958667762567812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9027191706980748713.post-57497103948147682992013-07-09T07:58:07.191+10:002013-07-09T07:58:07.191+10:00I like that interpretation too Ian; the ways a sys...I like that interpretation too Ian; the ways a system interacts is amazing and that certainly does explain big picture to little picture.<br /> It's a basic ecological fact that the more complicated and varied a system is the more stable it is; to me that means that we have to build redundancies into our systems to make them stable. for example, who gets my carrots if I don't want them? the rabbits, the chooks? the sheep? that means that the carrots never go to waste. Although I have yet to discover an animal that will only harvest what and when you want them to, even people.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16182408012625352004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9027191706980748713.post-42069312020399008502013-07-08T20:01:37.645+10:002013-07-08T20:01:37.645+10:00I often think of the detail as being the ways the ...I often think of the detail as being the ways the larger chunks of your design interact. So like over there you might have your veggie garden and over there you might have your goat. The way they are laid out on your property is the pattern. The detail is the little ways they feed into each other, so the tops off your harvested root crops might be thrown over the fence to the goats, and some of the goat manure goes into the compost for the garden. Once you have the main pattern in place (using zones etc) its amazing how many smaller ways you can find to have them interact with and enhance each other.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00237535505835764126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9027191706980748713.post-33640775139848351702013-07-08T17:23:58.526+10:002013-07-08T17:23:58.526+10:00'Value the edge', the place where things o...'Value the edge', the place where things overlap is always more fertile than the surroundings, ha ha.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16182408012625352004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9027191706980748713.post-57139237244927614612013-07-08T13:47:29.623+10:002013-07-08T13:47:29.623+10:00Yes that does help. Almost like saying that you n...Yes that does help. Almost like saying that you need to have an overarching strategy before you get into a how to achieve each detail.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874273438983052621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9027191706980748713.post-30390257204298863072013-07-08T13:46:29.381+10:002013-07-08T13:46:29.381+10:00Yes that helps, thanks, I think I am confused abou...Yes that helps, thanks, I think I am confused about how this principles crosses over with "Observe and Interact". I am probably trying to compartmentalise the principles, which is precisely what I shouldn't be doing! There is a fair bit of overlap and I need to accept that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874273438983052621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9027191706980748713.post-79758679881801855862013-07-08T11:38:47.979+10:002013-07-08T11:38:47.979+10:00Have you tried Goggle earth or goggle maps to make...Have you tried Goggle earth or goggle maps to make a base plan of your property? My local council also has online map showing property boundaries, or use the DP (deposited plan). I found a website that would calculate sun angles and draw a sun map for your latitude (computer died so no link). I also used sketch up (free version) to make a 3d model of my house and yard, but there is a learning curve to use it well. <br /><br />ClareClarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01949529547773247287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9027191706980748713.post-91401045779894165512013-07-08T11:28:29.034+10:002013-07-08T11:28:29.034+10:00'Designing from patterns to details is broadly...'Designing from patterns to details is broadly about looking for patterns that already exist on the site and patterns in nature that may be useful in the final design.' I think patterns that already exist on the site could include things like water flow and cold pockets; so for example if you want to plant an apple tree that needs a larger amount of chill hours than is common in your area, you can look for those little areas where frost settles on a not-so-cold morning and build a frost-trap there instead of planting it anywhere and then trying to build a frost-trap. Or maybe; if you want to build a bog garden, look for where the water naturally sits on your site, then augment the 'bogability' of the site by adding a border and dug in tyre ponds and such.<br />I don't know if I am right or not, that's just how I interpret it; how about you?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16182408012625352004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9027191706980748713.post-68761554754749978412013-07-08T08:10:30.112+10:002013-07-08T08:10:30.112+10:00Built our house pre PDC! So many elements don'...Built our house pre PDC! So many elements don't work for us. New areas are planned better, like our new orchard. I don't get some of the principles either but imagine this one broadly means get the big picture first, then work on the smaller details that make it up.<br /><br />Eg. You want veggies. You don't just plant them, put plan where it's best sited,the slope for water, shade etc., (the pattern) then dig the bed, incorporate ma nure, plant the veggies (the details) makes sense coz it's the planning we didn't do when we built and now regret coz we can see the pattern now!Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10975556587020883049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9027191706980748713.post-83996323940257366442013-07-08T07:46:22.314+10:002013-07-08T07:46:22.314+10:00Hi Liz, I love your explanation of the Permacultu...Hi Liz, I love your explanation of the Permaculture principles.<br />We use sheep as our major fire sector plan; we fenced a strip about 30m wide all around the house (well half way around, fencing is expensive, we are working on the other half) and crash graze the sheep in it. We also live on the top of a ridge (the worst place for fire safety). We built the 'temporary' shed there because there was a clearing already and I didn't want to clear anything until I understood the site. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16182408012625352004noreply@blogger.com